tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3522311.post1053849389117774589..comments2024-03-12T03:23:42.976-04:00Comments on NeuroDojo: Crustacean pain is still a complicated issue, despite the headlinesZen Faulkeshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07811309183398223358noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3522311.post-65789322685616685232013-12-18T13:38:58.190-05:002013-12-18T13:38:58.190-05:00Next they will be telling Us that juiced Lemons an...Next they will be telling Us that juiced Lemons and Butter feel pain.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09067090268701126203noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3522311.post-51585154652033471642013-08-08T11:40:47.856-04:002013-08-08T11:40:47.856-04:00p.s. This was from Peaceful Dumpling website. Than...p.s. This was from Peaceful Dumpling website. Thanks, DavidDavidhttp://www.peacefuldumpling.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3522311.post-72796557402127160752013-08-08T11:39:12.749-04:002013-08-08T11:39:12.749-04:00Dear Dr. Faulkes,
I really enjoyed reading your cr...Dear Dr. Faulkes,<br />I really enjoyed reading your critical analysis of the experiments, the statements by the scientists themselves, and the media hype. It is true that media reports greatly oversimplify the semantics of pain, sensation, and consciousness, and draw whatever conclusion they will without more careful consideration. On the other hand, there is a limit to the ability of journalists--and general public--that makes some loss of nuance inevitable, whether in science or any other subject. And our ability to make inferences from incomplete comprehension and limited information makes us capable of living fully. Thank you again for leaving a comment on our website and good luck to you on sparking an intelligent discourse on this topic. <br /> Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09855165579440610360noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3522311.post-34628789652988690962013-08-07T13:37:03.197-04:002013-08-07T13:37:03.197-04:00Not to engage in outright conspiracy theories, but...Not to engage in outright conspiracy theories, but I have a developing suspicion that this sudden focus on the still-nebulous concept of 'feeling pain' being extended to a vast range of animals is not coincidental. It smacks of the tactics used by anti-choice groups who employ the phony science of "fetal pain" perception to encourage the promulgation of extremely restrictive anti-abortion laws. Regardless of wherever the science behind nociception drives us, there will now be a group of anti-animal use/pro-vegetarian or pro-vegan folks clamoring for a moratorium on animal research or use as food. I'd be happy to be proved wrong, of course.SUIRAUQAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17918432443330964561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3522311.post-22951439216567758432013-08-07T13:26:59.340-04:002013-08-07T13:26:59.340-04:00I agree with you, Zen. Thanks for providing the li...I agree with you, Zen. Thanks for providing the link to this update (BTW, this is Kausik with that 'nym). In addition to the informed questions you raise here, I also had a different set of questions in mind after I read the Nature News piece, such as (a) evidence that the so-called 'feeling' of pain in crustaceans is not reflexive but actually experiential, (b) evidence of nociception pathway in crustaceans that would theoretically allow the feeling of pain, (c) evidence that any pain inducing stimuli, other than outright electric shock, works in the same manner (IIRC, you raised this question in the January post), and (d) evidence that avoidance is actually equal to physical pain. Thoughts?SUIRAUQAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17918432443330964561noreply@blogger.com