tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3522311.post5880285723948735752..comments2024-03-12T03:23:42.976-04:00Comments on NeuroDojo: Having a job outside STEM is not evidence of good STEM trainingZen Faulkeshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07811309183398223358noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3522311.post-24931778445287292012013-09-21T18:20:21.309-04:002013-09-21T18:20:21.309-04:00"He learned critical thinking when he got tra..."He learned critical thinking when he got training as a journalist."<br /><br />In apparent contradistinction to actual journalists. {sigh}Minnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3522311.post-42775882960751816172013-09-20T03:56:27.011-04:002013-09-20T03:56:27.011-04:00In response to Davis:
If you are among the idle r...In response to Davis:<br /><br />If you are among the idle rich, your view might be considered valid. However, the many years of training that a Ph.D. candidate and post-doc must undergo creates a monumental financial burden. True, most of us were on grants for our doctorates, but that's not the real problem here. That prolonged training period means years of delay in making a living and socking away money for a child, a home, college and retirement. The situation in science has created a class of serfs. It is unique to the current crop of scientists and those who graduated in a previous era may not understand the enormity of the problem, but they should TRY TO. <br /><br />This situation has the capacity to ruin people's lives. Retraining for something else is also time-consuming and the doctoral candidate runs the risk of hitting the age discrimination threshold within 10 years of being truly gainfully employed. This is simply unacceptable. Ruthmariehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03355827635018401878noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3522311.post-24989271172055891612013-09-19T01:49:36.504-04:002013-09-19T01:49:36.504-04:00The assumption is that pursuit of knowledge withou...The assumption is that pursuit of knowledge without an attendant career and financial end product is an invalid pursuit? This seems like a view of education as a means rather than an end, which is a value judgement I wouldn't make for someone else. If you are just filling job buckets, and not worried about lighting fires--to paraphrase Yeats--I suppose the argument holds some water. But are academics really pushing PhD programs like an over prescribed pill, a career wonder drug? Or does a good teacher inspire a pupil to continue on a path of inquiry?davisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3522311.post-28250711871210681752013-09-18T19:19:23.275-04:002013-09-18T19:19:23.275-04:00Yes, yes, yes! All of this.
A 13% placement rate ...Yes, yes, yes! All of this.<br /><br />A 13% placement rate in "traditional" careers doesn't indicate an 87% failure rate. Certainly some of those 87% are by choice. But definitely not all of them. Many would have been better served with different (or less) training.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3522311.post-81358895684721438912013-09-18T10:25:15.538-04:002013-09-18T10:25:15.538-04:00Here you go.
Two New Studies Address Jobs in STE...Here you go. <br /><br /><a href="http://sciencecareers.sciencemag.org/career_magazine/previous_issues/articles/2011_11_25/caredit.a1100130" rel="nofollow">Two New Studies Address Jobs in STEM</a>Jim Austinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02773818505510228659noreply@blogger.com